Trop de contrôle du corps détruit-il les réflexes ?
lesyeuxsanspaupieres | 45
| 1/19/2004
Oui, je mélangeai un peu deux trucs : geste volontaire/réflexe, et naturel/artificiel. Faudra que je revienne sur la question un peu plus sérieusement je crois ;-)
sujet tèèèès intéressant, lysp. Il l'est arrivé cette chose pour la respiration: la sensation d'avoir "oublié" comment on faisait.J'avais la sensation de mal respirer, et plus je voulais contrôler ma respiration pour l'améliorer, plus le problème s'aggravait. La solution est venue d'un bouquin (tantra-cité sur un autre post) qui dit en sudstance: laisez le corps s'occuper de ça, il sait parfaitement quoi faire- c'est SON domaine. J'ai tout simplement oublié d'y penser.
Autre aspect de la réponse : n'avez vous pas eu un jour la peur-l'angoisse- une fois au lit la lumière éteinte- de ne plus savoir comment vous endormir? ne plus savoir comment on glisse dans le sommeil? Impression très désagréable. Ca fait tout de suite un effet boeuf.
Sinon de manière générale, je porte beaucoup mon attention sur le phénomène de mémorisation propre au corps - une forme de mémorisation réflexe, ou nerveuse, ou autre: pratiquant les arts martiaux, je dois apprendre à mon corps des gestes, des réactions à des gestes qu'il doit connaître par coeur, qu'il doit quasiment penser à ma place.
Dans la vie par exemple on reconnait à ça un jeune fumeur: il aura porté trop peu de fois la cigarette à sa bouche pour être naturel. On reconnait le propriétaire d'une voiture : il connait à fond le jeu des pédales par rapport à ses chevilles, ces petits exemples paraissent absurdes, mais pensez à toutes vos pratiques, vos gestes et regardez à quel point le corps s'investit, à quel point il assimile...
Le bon comme le mauvais ! N'est ce pas lysp?
Autre aspect de la réponse : n'avez vous pas eu un jour la peur-l'angoisse- une fois au lit la lumière éteinte- de ne plus savoir comment vous endormir? ne plus savoir comment on glisse dans le sommeil? Impression très désagréable. Ca fait tout de suite un effet boeuf.
Sinon de manière générale, je porte beaucoup mon attention sur le phénomène de mémorisation propre au corps - une forme de mémorisation réflexe, ou nerveuse, ou autre: pratiquant les arts martiaux, je dois apprendre à mon corps des gestes, des réactions à des gestes qu'il doit connaître par coeur, qu'il doit quasiment penser à ma place.
Dans la vie par exemple on reconnait à ça un jeune fumeur: il aura porté trop peu de fois la cigarette à sa bouche pour être naturel. On reconnait le propriétaire d'une voiture : il connait à fond le jeu des pédales par rapport à ses chevilles, ces petits exemples paraissent absurdes, mais pensez à toutes vos pratiques, vos gestes et regardez à quel point le corps s'investit, à quel point il assimile...
Le bon comme le mauvais ! N'est ce pas lysp?
je crois qu'il faut vous reposer ... et abandonner un peu ce contrôle de soi.
ou cette tentation...
Cela est vrai aussi pour le clavier, j'ai les yeux fixés à l'écran et pourtant mes doigts ne cherchent plus les touches. J'ai appris un jour et je n'ai jamais oublié. Par contre pour les fautes d'orthographe, j'ai pas appris à les faire mais là je suis champion. Innée ou reflexe...
> EStilo : Entièrement d'accord et c'est sans doute la richesse de ces exercices - genre arts martiaux - de ce qu'avec discipline on apprends quelque chose à son corps. En revanche (mais j'ai bien dit que mon post sur le corps était brouillon et mal fichu) ce que je crains c'est que des machines viennent remplacer ces automatismes du corps (qu'ils soient naturels ou acquis). Ce que je crains c'est une réponse de la machine avant une réponse du corps. Par exemple tu parles de la conduite automobile, il y a fort à parier que dans 50 ans au plus nous aurons des systèmes de commandes automatiques. Eh bien je doute que ce soit un réel progrès ; plutôt une mise en avant du produit et un recul de l'individu. A vue d'nez?
> waves : Je ne sais pas. C'est à peine l'ébauche d'une réflexion, de ma part. Mais certainement que l'exemple de la respiration - ou celui du sommeil donné par EStilo - sont de profondes et irrépréssibles angoisses !
> 2pasag : le vrai danger - AMHA - n'est ni le clavier ni les fautes, c'est le correcteur orthographique...
> waves : Je ne sais pas. C'est à peine l'ébauche d'une réflexion, de ma part. Mais certainement que l'exemple de la respiration - ou celui du sommeil donné par EStilo - sont de profondes et irrépréssibles angoisses !
> 2pasag : le vrai danger - AMHA - n'est ni le clavier ni les fautes, c'est le correcteur orthographique...
Bonjour,
Je sais que ca n'a rien a voir, mais comme tu es le premier Lyps a etre venu chez moi c'est toi qui trinque: comment on place les notes dans les categories???
Merci
JS
Je sais que ca n'a rien a voir, mais comme tu es le premier Lyps a etre venu chez moi c'est toi qui trinque: comment on place les notes dans les categories???
Merci
JS
> JS : Oups, j'avais pas vu ton post. Je vais aller chez toi te répondre
> les autres : je voulais aussi prendre l'exemple de la mémoire => doit-on la déléguer à nos palms, à nos iPods, à nos agendas papiers ? Ou bien faut-il jeter l'ensemble et ouvrir grand ses yeux et sa mémoire !?
> les autres : je voulais aussi prendre l'exemple de la mémoire => doit-on la déléguer à nos palms, à nos iPods, à nos agendas papiers ? Ou bien faut-il jeter l'ensemble et ouvrir grand ses yeux et sa mémoire !?
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Lorsque tu dis que nous vivons assis, tu veux parler des moyens de transports diversifiés et du fait que désormais on passe plus de temps assis ? Je ne sais pas, ca, par contre. (Bon, bien entendu, concernant les metiers où les ordinateurs sont principalement utilisés, c'est clair...)
Mais concernant notre futur... qui sait ? Quand on voit le 'progrès' qu'il y a eu au fil du siècle précédent, désormais tout ira de plus en plus vite... Le temps, toujours ce satané concept...
Pour l'instant nous sommes encore -plus ou moins- libres de nos actes. "On verra bien"